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		<title>By: Beth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 11:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim:  Perhaps I&#039;m misreading you, but in case I&#039;m not---my family does not receive government handouts.  Though I would do it if I had to--to feed my children. (Because I don&#039;t mind my tax dollars going to feed children.)   And when I spoke of &quot;sweatshop free&quot; tee shirts, I was not speaking lightly of sweatshops--I was merely noting the fact that those who tout their organic, sweatshop free stuff always charge such ridiculous prices that people like me couldn&#039;t begin to imagine buying there.   And in case I didn&#039;t make myself clear--we buy most of our stuff second-hand anyway.   My point was that so many people seem more concerned about the shame of people supporting Walmart than about why so many hard-working American citizens feel they have no choice.  Could you support your family on $250 a week and still buy only things that you knew people were paid a living wage for making?  Do you know the history of every single thing and every service you buy?  And as far as living in the city, we can&#039;t afford to live in the city.  Things are too expensive there.  That&#039;s why we live eleven miles from the city--things are much cheaper out here.  Additionally, there are lots of people who would be glad to move to an area where there are more jobs, but they simply can&#039;t afford to move.  And, by the way, where are those good-paying jobs for blue-collar people?  The area we live in has one of the lowest unemployment figures around, but what those statistics don&#039;t reveal is that so many of those jobs are extremely low paying.  In fact, we are pretty lucky to get $12.00 an hour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim:  Perhaps I&#8217;m misreading you, but in case I&#8217;m not&#8212;my family does not receive government handouts.  Though I would do it if I had to&#8211;to feed my children. (Because I don&#8217;t mind my tax dollars going to feed children.)   And when I spoke of &#8220;sweatshop free&#8221; tee shirts, I was not speaking lightly of sweatshops&#8211;I was merely noting the fact that those who tout their organic, sweatshop free stuff always charge such ridiculous prices that people like me couldn&#8217;t begin to imagine buying there.   And in case I didn&#8217;t make myself clear&#8211;we buy most of our stuff second-hand anyway.   My point was that so many people seem more concerned about the shame of people supporting Walmart than about why so many hard-working American citizens feel they have no choice.  Could you support your family on $250 a week and still buy only things that you knew people were paid a living wage for making?  Do you know the history of every single thing and every service you buy?  And as far as living in the city, we can&#8217;t afford to live in the city.  Things are too expensive there.  That&#8217;s why we live eleven miles from the city&#8211;things are much cheaper out here.  Additionally, there are lots of people who would be glad to move to an area where there are more jobs, but they simply can&#8217;t afford to move.  And, by the way, where are those good-paying jobs for blue-collar people?  The area we live in has one of the lowest unemployment figures around, but what those statistics don&#8217;t reveal is that so many of those jobs are extremely low paying.  In fact, we are pretty lucky to get $12.00 an hour.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 03:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just thinking that the death of small-town business was simply their uncompetitiveness.  Consumers decided their fate with demand, Walmart just provided the supply.  

And those &quot;sweatshop&quot; stories are interesting as someone may feel very lucky to earn $10 a day when half of the world earns less than $2 a day.  The alternative to work could be death or prostitution, etc., so it may be difficult to grasp the reality of this world.

Regarding struggling families, I&#039;m reminded of the crass and loud-mouthed Sam Kinnison who argued that all of the starving people in Africa could be saved if they just picked everyone up in the desert and moved them to where the food was.  Seriously, I&#039;m not smart enought to make a good living in a rural area, so I have to work where the money is while I can with hopes of returning to my ideal America later in life.  Maybe some need to move into the area or industry where the money is?  Sure as hell beats receiving handouts from a liberal government that robs its citizens in exchange for votes that eventually kill the golden goose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just thinking that the death of small-town business was simply their uncompetitiveness.  Consumers decided their fate with demand, Walmart just provided the supply.  </p>
<p>And those &#8220;sweatshop&#8221; stories are interesting as someone may feel very lucky to earn $10 a day when half of the world earns less than $2 a day.  The alternative to work could be death or prostitution, etc., so it may be difficult to grasp the reality of this world.</p>
<p>Regarding struggling families, I&#8217;m reminded of the crass and loud-mouthed Sam Kinnison who argued that all of the starving people in Africa could be saved if they just picked everyone up in the desert and moved them to where the food was.  Seriously, I&#8217;m not smart enought to make a good living in a rural area, so I have to work where the money is while I can with hopes of returning to my ideal America later in life.  Maybe some need to move into the area or industry where the money is?  Sure as hell beats receiving handouts from a liberal government that robs its citizens in exchange for votes that eventually kill the golden goose.</p>
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		<title>By: COD</title>
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		<dc:creator>COD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 00:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look at all the comments he got though. If Fred wants to generate wen site traffic, clearly he should write about politics more often :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look at all the comments he got though. If Fred wants to generate wen site traffic, clearly he should write about politics more often <img src='http://www.fragmentsfromfloyd.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 14:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think it&#039;s &quot;sad&quot; to see this site raise  occasional political and environmental issues. There&#039;s no doubt that the natural, pastoral and  Thoreau-like qualities of this blog will continue and pervade, based on the obvious proclivities of the author. But it&#039;s sometimes refreshing and invigorating to undertake a few vital issues of the day. And, I&#039;m reminded of the old quote &quot; All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men and women to remain silent&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s &#8220;sad&#8221; to see this site raise  occasional political and environmental issues. There&#8217;s no doubt that the natural, pastoral and  Thoreau-like qualities of this blog will continue and pervade, based on the obvious proclivities of the author. But it&#8217;s sometimes refreshing and invigorating to undertake a few vital issues of the day. And, I&#8217;m reminded of the old quote &#8221; All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men and women to remain silent&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: kenju</title>
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		<dc:creator>kenju</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 03:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This Wal-Mart shopper doesn&#039;t roll that way! I&#039;m for Obama all the way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This Wal-Mart shopper doesn&#8217;t roll that way! I&#8217;m for Obama all the way.</p>
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		<title>By: rio semione</title>
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		<dc:creator>rio semione</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 00:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s too early to pay attention to the polls anyway.    There is just one after another.  I do think it&#039;s going to be a rocky road to the election and anything can happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s too early to pay attention to the polls anyway.    There is just one after another.  I do think it&#8217;s going to be a rocky road to the election and anything can happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Denise S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Denise S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 23:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, too, am sad to see your site  go political.  

I stay informed, but came here to escape.

While you are more than entitled to do what you want and say what you want on your site -- I don&#039;t have to be a part of it.

Thanks for the memories...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, too, am sad to see your site  go political.  </p>
<p>I stay informed, but came here to escape.</p>
<p>While you are more than entitled to do what you want and say what you want on your site &#8212; I don&#8217;t have to be a part of it.</p>
<p>Thanks for the memories&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Beth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 22:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kathy:  Wow…thank you.  I must confess, though—I may be level-headed in my writing, but I’ve been known to deliver a red-faced diatribe or two.  And the sight of certain people...say Newt Gingrich or Karl Rove… makes me think the most un-Christian thoughts.

Jeff:  Thank you for the Wendell Berry recommendation.  I am familiar with his writing and, in fact, my family and I seek to live the sustainable lifestyle he advocates.  We recycle—not only in the usual separate-your-trash way—but in almost everything we use.  Most of our clothes, our furniture, and other household goods are second-hand.  My husband is a carpenter and has managed to build almost all of our home projects with discarded wood and discarded electrical parts, plumbing parts, etc.  We have our own garden and numerous fruit trees, as well as grapes, so we do eat “local” food (we eat very little meat).  In fact, I just finished making a nice batch of grape juice from the grapes on our own arbor.  I expect we have saved many, many tons from being dumped at the landfill. The truth is-- I’m sure I believe in many of the same ideals as Fred (and you).  I simply wanted to make the point that not all of us can afford to eat organic, free-range chicken meat or wear $30.00 “sweatshop-free” organic tee-shirts.  But we do the best we can. Perhaps I should lay it out in black and white: we gross $480 a week.  When health insurance, taxes, etc. are taken out, we take home about $250 a week to support the four of us. That’s about a thousand a month.  Yes, I do shop at Walmart and yes, I do think about how my choices will impact my children’s future.  But I have to feed and clothe and shelter those children NOW.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kathy:  Wow…thank you.  I must confess, though—I may be level-headed in my writing, but I’ve been known to deliver a red-faced diatribe or two.  And the sight of certain people&#8230;say Newt Gingrich or Karl Rove… makes me think the most un-Christian thoughts.</p>
<p>Jeff:  Thank you for the Wendell Berry recommendation.  I am familiar with his writing and, in fact, my family and I seek to live the sustainable lifestyle he advocates.  We recycle—not only in the usual separate-your-trash way—but in almost everything we use.  Most of our clothes, our furniture, and other household goods are second-hand.  My husband is a carpenter and has managed to build almost all of our home projects with discarded wood and discarded electrical parts, plumbing parts, etc.  We have our own garden and numerous fruit trees, as well as grapes, so we do eat “local” food (we eat very little meat).  In fact, I just finished making a nice batch of grape juice from the grapes on our own arbor.  I expect we have saved many, many tons from being dumped at the landfill. The truth is&#8211; I’m sure I believe in many of the same ideals as Fred (and you).  I simply wanted to make the point that not all of us can afford to eat organic, free-range chicken meat or wear $30.00 “sweatshop-free” organic tee-shirts.  But we do the best we can. Perhaps I should lay it out in black and white: we gross $480 a week.  When health insurance, taxes, etc. are taken out, we take home about $250 a week to support the four of us. That’s about a thousand a month.  Yes, I do shop at Walmart and yes, I do think about how my choices will impact my children’s future.  But I have to feed and clothe and shelter those children NOW.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron, everything we say or do is political, at some level. Eating at the Blue Ridge Restaurant is political, as is shopping at the Harvest Moon, buying from Wills Ridge Supply or shopping at WalMart.

Beth, I would highly recommend the works of Wendell Berry.  I don&#039;t know if the Jesse Peterman library has them, but if not, they should be obtainable through inter-library loan. 

All of us need to start seriously thinking about the implications of our actions, at all levels, if we want our children and grandchildren to have a viable place to live.  It is no longer acceptable to &quot;follow the crowd&quot;, whether that crowd is on talk radio, Fox TV, the New York Times, Huffington Post, or Daily Kos.  We can no longer afford to fall in love with Obama or McCain and hope that either is the answer to our prayers.  We need to take responsibility for our actions and stop pointing the finger at others, however we label them,  as the source of our difficulties. As my father used to love to say, &quot;When you point your finger, never forget that there are three fingers pointing back at you.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron, everything we say or do is political, at some level. Eating at the Blue Ridge Restaurant is political, as is shopping at the Harvest Moon, buying from Wills Ridge Supply or shopping at WalMart.</p>
<p>Beth, I would highly recommend the works of Wendell Berry.  I don&#8217;t know if the Jesse Peterman library has them, but if not, they should be obtainable through inter-library loan. </p>
<p>All of us need to start seriously thinking about the implications of our actions, at all levels, if we want our children and grandchildren to have a viable place to live.  It is no longer acceptable to &#8220;follow the crowd&#8221;, whether that crowd is on talk radio, Fox TV, the New York Times, Huffington Post, or Daily Kos.  We can no longer afford to fall in love with Obama or McCain and hope that either is the answer to our prayers.  We need to take responsibility for our actions and stop pointing the finger at others, however we label them,  as the source of our difficulties. As my father used to love to say, &#8220;When you point your finger, never forget that there are three fingers pointing back at you.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 18:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, do I admire Beth! What a calm, clear-eyed thinker and communicator. I wish she was going in to politics. The country sure could benefit from someone so steady. I am a staunch Democrat, and I get way too emotional and irrational when politics is the subject these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, do I admire Beth! What a calm, clear-eyed thinker and communicator. I wish she was going in to politics. The country sure could benefit from someone so steady. I am a staunch Democrat, and I get way too emotional and irrational when politics is the subject these days.</p>
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